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Presentation by William R. Eubank

American Teacher. American Teacher. Teacher

MIDTESOL CONFERENCE October 28, 1995 Cedar Falls, Iowa by William Eubank

8,000 Helpful Colleagues 41 Keystrokes Away!

Being the only ESL instructor on a campus can be a lonely and isolating experience. This session will show ESL teachers how they can be in daily contact with over 8,000 colleagues in TESL-L. TESL-L members are located in the United States and in over 83 countries around the world. They have a wealth of knowledge about virtually every facet of ESL/EFL teaching that they are willing to share with you.

If you have access to a computer at home or at work that has an E-mail program, you can share in this fantastic human and data base resource. TESL-L and related branches can put you in contact with colleagues in your specialized field.

The TESL-L archives offer articles, bibliographies, edited topic discussion threads and other materials related to the field of ESL/EFL.

Format includes lecture, instructions on access, handouts from TESL-L archives, and E-mail contact addresses.

Opening Remarks

I Who are we?
		Me	William R. Eubank
			education Ottawa University BA Sociology 
                           KSTC MS Education
			teaching - Alaska, China, Texas, Mexico
			leave - take care of parent - learn about the 

			Work assignments - Elementary, Secondary, 
                           Post Secondary
			Computer Skills - computer, modem, E-mail, other

II Why I am here.

To tell you about my computing experience and how you can do same.

	Provider				Hours		Cost

Prodigy 118 $201 Mid Continent Library 015 $001 K.C. Starnet 160 $-0- One Crossroads Place 240 $025 Tenet 022 $005

Total on line time since June-October 1995 555 hours cost $232 additional time off line using my computer: 700 hours

III This is what I will teach you about today.


  • What it is.
  • How to join.
  • File Archives
    B. TESLK-12
  • Must be a member of TESL-L
    C. 16,000+ Other Newsgroups
  • ncte
  • slart-l
  • misc.education.language.english
  • k12.lang.esp-eng
  • kidcafe
    D. Resources for Advanced Computer Users
  • ftp, gopher, www, irc
  • One Crossroads Place Bulletin Board

    IV Two Important USENET Newsgroups to Join

    A. TESL-L


    From: Automatic digest processor (LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU)
    Subject: TESL-L Digest - 24 Sep 1995 to 25 Sep 1995
    To: Recipients of TESL-L digests (TESL-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU)

    There are 14 messages totalling 400 lines in this issue.

    Topics of the day:

    1. Poetry & ESL
    2. which vs. that
    3. Tex-TESOL State Conference 11/4 & 5, 1995
    4. Student poems
    5. Campus Interaction (3)
    6. "kilometer" pronunciation (3)
    7. student poems
    8. Depressed students/stalkers
    9. recent updates on SLRF 95 web page
    10. Photos for conversation

    Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 00:02:10 EDT
    From: "Dr. Chris Green" (cgreen@TXDIRECT.NET)
    Subject: Tex-TESOL State Conference 11/4 & 5, 1995

    The seventeenth annual state conference of TexTESOL
    (Texas Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages)
    Date: November 3 and 4, 1995
    Location: San Antonio, Texas, at the Henry B. Gonzalez Convention Center,
    across from San Antonio's beautiful riiverwalk
    Theme: "Diversity as Challenge and Resource"
    Featured Speakers:

  • JoAnn Crandall, President of International TESOL
  • Denise Murray, President-Elect of International TESOL
  • Joy Reid, Past President of International TESOL
  • Sandra Cisneros, Author of the House on Mango Street
  • Elisa Gutierrez, Past State Director of Bilingual
  • Anna Chamot & Michael O'Malley, Creators of CALLA
  • Blandina Cardenas Ramirez, Former US Civil Rights
  • Thomas Ricento, UTSA, Former Chair, TESOL Sociopolitical
  • Carlos Sada Salana, Consul General of Mexico


    Subject: TESL-L Digest - 1 Aug 1995 to 2 Aug 1995
    To: Recipients of TESL-L digests (TESL-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU)

    There are 16 messages totalling 530 lines in this issue.

    Topics of the day:

    1. Getting teens to speakin class
    2. getting students talking
    3. How many exposures?
    4. Clothing makes the teacher?(P.S.)
    5. More on exams (yawn...)
    6. Teenagers and Speaking (2)
    7. speaking games (2)
    8. Games for grammar
    9. Teaching for low achievement students
    10. Student Motivation
    11. Clothing
    12. speaking in class
    13. Getting students to speak
    14. Recipes for Tired Teachers

    Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 08:49:48 EDT
    From: "Michael E. McCay"
    Subject: Korean names

    Anthea posed the following question:

    >>When someone goes to study or work in another country, is he or she justified in demanding that s/he be addressed in the same way as at home? In other words, should we respect the customs of our students' countries with regard to how we address them, or should we follow our own local customs?<<

    I think this is a non-issue for most of the English-speaking world. We tend to address people as they _want_ to be addressed, whether this is their last name, a nickname, etc. For example, I know an Eddie who absolutely hates to be called Ed. If you know he likes to be called Eddie, why annoy him with the name Ed? I think the same thing would apply to a person who wants to be called Park, Kim or whatever.


    Michael E. McCay, who also answers to Mike, Mickey, McCay, Mikel, Miguel and Vote.


    ARTICLES (a sample of some of the files found in the TESL-L achieve)

    0. TESL-L Information files
    * 1. Classroom practices and activities, issues of teaching and learning
    * 2. Testing and evaluation
    * 3 Computers in ESL - activities
    * 4. Computer hardware and software
    * 5. Books, periodicals, and other materials
    * 6 Net resources and email
    * 7. Organizations and conferences
    * 8. English learners, countries, schools, and teacher education
    * 9. The English language
    *10. Commercial

    * TESL-L information files:
    INDEX INSTRUCT TEM OWN V 77 81 94/09/24 21:38:20
    * Instructions for using the Index option for receiving TESL-L postings.
    POSTING GUIDE TEM OWN V 79 245 95/06/13 09:45:54
    * Guidelines for posting messages to TESL-L.
    *** 1. Classroom practices and activities, issues of teaching and learning
    40 TIPS TEM OWN V 73 455 95/01/19 11:33:19
    * From the newsletter Hands-On English, here are 40 tips to make your
    * teaching easier and more effective.
    ADVANCED LEARNERS TEM OWN V 84 788 95/07/25 17:45:17
    * TESL-Lers' responses to the question: What do advanced students need?
    AL-GT METHODS TEM OWN V 133 811 94/09/24 21:49:21
    * Are audio-lingual and grammar-translation methods extinct in EFL/ESL
    * classrooms? A TESL-L discussion.
    ALICE FILE TEM OWN V 80 431 95/06/01 00:17:07
    * A set of worksheets to use with Alice in Wonderland.
    BASICESL MATERIAL TEM OWN V 80 455 95/02/01 08:40:12
    * What materials would you take if you were going to another country
    * to teach? This file has answers suggested by TESL-Lers.
    *** 2. testing and evaluation *********************************************
    COMMENTS FILE TEM OWN V 80 914 95/02/11 12:01:17
    * Techniques for commenting on student papers. See also the next file.
    ORALSKIL TESTING TEM OWN V 80 361 94/09/14 20:41:29
    * Information on ways to test oral proficiency.
    *** 3. computers in ESL - activities **************************************
    CALL FILELIST TEM TSL V 80 121 95/08/31 08:46:13
    * For bibliographies of CALL and computer-related references, order the
    * BOOKS FILELIST. All other CALL files will eventually be moved to this
    * subdirectory, which contains 10 files as of 12/18/94)
    CALL-NL AUSTRALI TEM OWN V 75 90 93/01/14 18:24:05
    * An article on computer/ESL matters from Australia, 1/13/93.
    *** 4. computer hardware and software ***********************************
    CELIA HOWTO TEM OWN V 80 619 94/09/14 21:02:54
    * An introduction and instructions for using the Computer Enhanced
    * Language Instruction Archive, an on-line source of freeware, shareware,
    * and commercial demos of CALL software.
    CONFEREN EQUIPMNT TEM OWN V 73 112 94/09/14 21:20:38
    * How to get exactly the audio-visual-computer equipment you need
    * for a conference presentation.
    *** 5. books, periodicals, and other materials ****************************
    BOOKS FILELIST TEM TSL V 80 185 95/07/02 12:51:54
    * A subdirectory of book lists on various topics. Order this file
    * to obtain descriptions of the book lists that are available.
    DONATING BOOKS TEM OWN V 78 120 95/07/25 17:45:58
    * Advice on where and how to donate books.
    *** 6. NET RESOURCES AND EMAIL************************************
    ABBRV FILE TEM OWN V 80 523 95/02/22 07:48:33
    * A list of the acronyms like IMHO and 'emoticons' like :-) commonly used
    * in email messages.
    BITNET ARTICLE TEM OWN V 76 201 94/09/14 20:28:49
    * An article entitled "All you didn't want to know about BITNET and were
    * afraid to ask...." written by Eric Thomas, the creator of Listserv,
    * from the Spring 1993 issue of Internet Society News.
    *** 7. organizations and conferences **************************************
    CATESOL FILELIST TEM TSL V 80 46 95/06/14 09:05:35
    * California TESOL position papers placed in these archives for
    * comment or reference by TESOL affiliates in other states.
    CEA SIG TEM OWN V 76 57 94/09/27 00:44:31
    * An announcement of a new ESL/Bilingual Education Special Interest
    * Group of the Correctional Education Association.
    *** 8. English learners, countries, and teacher education ***************
    EFL INJAPAN TEM OWN V 80 1240 95/07/20 14:45:14
    * TESL-L discussion about teaching Japanese students, mostly in Japan.
    KOREA CAMP TEM OWN V 80 144 95/06/29 11:01:24
    * A job opportunity at a Korean summer camp for children
    *** 9. The English language ******************************************
    EMAIL LANGUAGE TEM OWN V 77 302 93/03/09 14:18:40
    * An article by Natalie Maynor on the new language forms that appear in
    * email discourse.
    ENGLISH HOMOPHON TEM OWN V 73 1381 95/07/11 00:01:00
    * A list of English homophones prepared by John Higgins.
    *** 10. commercial ********************************************** BABEL INFO TEM OWN V 79 252 94/09/11 14:50:57
    * Description and ordering information for The Multilingual PC Directory,
    * by Ian Tresman, which is a source book for IBM PC language software of
    * all sorts (word processing, spell-checking, character sets, translation, etc.

    B. TESLK-12

    TESLK-12 was founded in January, 1994, with the goal of providing fast, convenient, and topical electronic discussion forum for teachers of English as a second or foreign language to children. The organizers plan to make TESLK-12 useful to past, present, and future teachers of English to students in primary and secondary schools; and we hope that, as access to electronic communications and the membership of TESLK-12 grow, teachers will be able to expand their understanding not only of the field of TESL/TEFL but also of the nations and cultures that make up our global village.


    Subject: TESLK-12 Digest - 29 Aug 1995 to 31 Aug 1995
    To: Recipients of TESLK-12 digests

    There are 9 messages totalling 247 lines in this issue.

    Topics of the day:

    1. Child Abuse and Native Language (6)
    2. new archives
    3. Suicide
    4. Child abuse and native lang.

    Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:07:22 -0500
    From: Trish Morita-Mullaney
    Subject: Child Abuse and Native Language

    I suspect most of you have heard about the case in Amarillo, Texas about a Mexican-American woman and her 4-year old daughter. She was convicted by a local judge of child abuse for only speaking Spanish to her daughter. She has been sentenced to speak only English to her daughter from this point forward as the judge insists that she must know some English to prepare her for kindergarten. This all came to the court due to a some sort of suit filed by the child's father, a monolingual English-speaker who says he cannot communicate with his child because she only speaks Spanish.

    Rather than espousing my reactions to this case, I would implore you to respond to this case. Specifically, is the use of native language in the home a benefit or a deficit to the child's acquisition of English? Is the use of native language advantageous or disadvantageous to her in acquiring academic skills? Is it child abuse?

    I look forward to your feedback.

    Trish Morita Mullaney


    C. 16,000 Plus Newsgroups - USENET



    To: Multiple recipients of list
    Subject: [NCTE-TALK:1190] NCTE-TALK digest 276
    X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas

    NCTE-TALK Digest 276

    Topics covered in this issue include:

    2) Re: etymology
    by ASGarrison@aol.com
    3) Pedagogy, Pedantry: A rejoinder
    4) Re: etymology
    5) Re: block scheduling
    by Mary Beth Hannah-Hansen
    7) Re: The politically correct Bible?!
    by Reinhold Schlieper
    8) Romeo and Juliet
    9) Teaching the novel
    10) feminist shakespeare
    by CAREYWEBB@wmich.edu
    11) Re: Demi and Heinekins
    by TchrRobert@aol.com
    12) Pedagogy, Pedantry and Pen Color (Friday's on its way)
    by Mbeliason@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (MarMar)
    13) Re: what we teach?
    by tannerm@isd.ingham.k12.mi.us (Marcia Tanner (Okemos))

    Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:24:39 -0500 (CDT)
    To: ncte-talk@itc.org
    Subject: Re: etymology
    Another helpful source on etymology which points to the fact that words are still "originating" even as we speak is the Word Watch column which occupies the final page of _The Atlantic Monthly_ (in alternating issues now, I believe). The column traces the roots of words or expressions that may be in the process of becoming permanent fixtures in our language. Jonathan M. Barz Department of English Concordia University -- River Forest, IL



    Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:41:04 -0400
    Sender: SLA Research and Teaching
    From: A Frink
    Subject: ESL 3

    I will be teaching a high school ESL 3 class for the first time this year and would like any ideas you may have re: reading materials, games, teacher resources and whatever else you have used that works. School is just around the corner and I'm starting to work on lesson plans. Please help! I also teach Spanish 1 &2. If anyone has a good idea to use in these classes please send them to me. Thanks in advance :)

    Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:00:20 -0500
    Sender: SLA Research and Teaching
    From: Louis Janus
    Subject: Re: Native American Languages

    > I've accepted a job on a reservation where I will help to develop >curriculum, materials, and methods to teach native American languages. > I would like to know of anyone else who has done similar work, or >knows someone who has. I'd be happy to have email contacts, phone >contacts, or addresses.

    Thank you.

    Alice Harman aaharman@seattleu.edu

    Do you know of the gopher service we offer that lists the colleges and universities in North America that teach about 350 Less Commonly Tuaght Languages. For most, we list a contact person with addresses and phone numbers.

    The URL for the gopher is: gopher://lctl.acad.umn.edu

    It can be found under the Univ of Minnesota
    --> Campus information
    --> all the U of Minn gopher servers
    ---> Center for Advanced Research on Language Acquisition

    ==============++++++++++============== Louis Janus
    Less Commonly Taught Languages Project
    612/627-19872 (fax: 612/627-1875)
    lctl@maroon.tc.umn.edu or

    Newsgroups: misc.education.language.english


    References: <3urte3$1p0@anshar.shadow.net>
    Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:52:42 GMT
    Lines: 30

    fanghorn (fanghorn@shadow.net) wrote:
    : Looking for ideas on using literature anthology for 8th grade lit. class. What
    : do you prefer, reading in class or assigning stories for homework? I rather use
    : novels but have to use a text. Thanks,
    : Zoe

    In an 8th grade lit. class, I would rather use a text with short stories or readings. It's hard enough to hold their attention. (don't you remember when you were in eighth grade? only a few of your friends were reading whole books! These days even fewer do it)

    I teach ESL to adults (it's different, I know). If my students are homework doers then I assign the "short" reading to be read at home, and we read it again in class and discuss the story as we go, then discuss related themes afterwards (I dearly hate to look at the tops of their heads while they try to find the answer to a question I've asked, so I ask comprehension questions every sentence or two)

    With non-homework doers, we just read in class, slowly. It's the same basic idea, only it takes about twice as long.

    The homework doers who have re-read the text say that they don't find it too boring to repeat the reading in class, rather they find out how close their dictionary came to explaining the real meanings and/or connotations of the new words. They often go home and read it again.
    Hope this helps. Meg Gam ESL Teacher NYC

    Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:11:14 GMT
    Sender: pburgess@netcom17.netcom.com
    Xref: prodigy.com alt.folklore.computers:57315 alt.usage.english:43109
    >> Okay, any nominations for the following collective nouns ?
    >> a(n) _______ of newsgroups -----> a wienerschnitzel of newsgroups
    (A corresponding percentage of newsgroups seem to involve
    hilarious German names..."alt.fingerlichenschtein", etc.)
    >> a(n) _______ of FAQs ------>a plain-paper of FAQs? (groan)
    >> a(n) _______ of newbies (Delphoids, AOLiners, frosh, etc.)
    a free on-line trial offer of newbies.

    Phillip Burgess (pburgess@netcom.com) *** Junior Mints: a SIGGRAPH tradition

    Newsgroups: k12.lang.esp-eng


    From: Scott Fabel
    Subject: Computer Terminology
    Date: 6 Aug 1995 19:55:23 GMT
    Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Charlotte, NC - info@char.vnet.net

    Hi everyone!!

    A friend of mine asked me to post to this newsgroup to see if I could get a hold of a listing of Spanish Computer Terminology. If anyone has something like this, could you please e-mail it to me (since I don't speak Spanish, I don't subscribe to this newsgroup.....).
    My e-mail address is sfabel@success.net.
    Thanks a bunch!!


    Newsgroups: k12.lang.esp-eng
    Subject: Re: English -> Spanish Translation please
    Date: 9 Aug 1995 15:31:46 GMT

    In article <405mvl$bdm@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca>, wijetung@bnr.ca says...

    >Could you please translate the following for me
    I missed you (emotionally) : Te heche de menos
    Would you like to see the place I live? : Quieres ver donde vivo?
    You are always on my mind : Siempre pienso en ti.
    Hope this helps.

    I need e-mail address to native Spanish speaking high school students
    for my Spanish class to exchange e-mail. If anybody out there knows any
    thing about this please e-mail at scottp@falcon.cc.ukans.edu.

    I am a Spanish Teacher in Fresno, California. I have a number of native Spanish speakers in my classes each year. Most of them are Mexican, a few are Spanish or Spanish American. Chances are these students will want to correspond via air mail. But I will try to arrange for e-mail help as well. Classes here begin in September.

    Please reply to me...Bill Arnold...at

    I will be glad to give you my school address by e-mail.



    Subject: Usage guidelines for KIDCAFE
    To: William Eubank
    Reply-To: KIDCAFE-Request@VM1.NoDak.EDU

    Dear New KIDLINKers,

    Welcome to Kids
    =============== Welcome to the KIDCAFE mailing list. This list is one of several run by the KIDLINK project as part of our efforts to create a global dialog among the 10 to 15-year-old youth of the world.

    If you are within our age range, we are delighted to have you with us. There are some very important instructions in this message. Be sure to follow them carefully. If you participating by yourself (without an adult to help you), please also read what we say to adults. Lars-Erik Nilsson, the KIDCAFE helper, would be glad to answer any questions you have. You can write to him at this email address: len@svenshog.se

    Welcome to Adults
    ================= Thank you for your assistance in making it possible for students to participate in the KIDCAFE dialog. Please respect our age limits; adults are not allowed to send messages to KIDCAFE. Class participation is limited to grades in which kids are normally within the age range at the beginning of the school year. In the United States, this means grades 5-10. Fourth grade classes are too young and may not participate.

    Please do not use this list to obtain keypal contacts for people who are not participating in the list itself. This is directly against KIDLINK policy and is disruptive of our efforts to establish a global dialog.

    From: Neal Styka
    Subject: Re: KEYPALS: Request for Keypals :: Michelle Lee (Glendal)
    Comments: To: CAFEMOD@ucunix.san.uc.EDU
    To: Multiple recipients of list KIDCAFE

    michelle lee
    I'd love to be your penpal.
    I'm 11 and I play the trombone.
    Yes i'm christian.
    Neal Styka

    V Resources for Advanced Computer Users

    FTP (File Transfer Protocol) - a protocol for moving files/programs on the Internet.
    Gopher Server - A storage and retrieval protocol for files archives on the Internet.
    WWW - World Wide Web a standard for linking documents with hypertext.
    Internet Relay Chat - IRC - an Internet service that lets users exchange typed messages in realtime.
    Bulletin Boards BBS



    William R. Eubank	James Bowie High School	
    6113 Lane		2101 Highbank Drive	wmeubank@yahoo.com
    Raytown, Missouri 64133	Arlington, Texas 76018	
    1. Q. Why do you have so many accounts?
    A. I have a number accounts because I want to learn about the different types of accounts that are available and to discover how useful they are in education.
    2. Q. Please explain the different accounts that you have and what you have discovered about them?
    A. I will tell briefly about my accounts in the order in which I joined them. Please remember that I am not trying to "sell" anything. I intend to use as many different, major commercial accounts as I can between now and August 1996.
    PRODIGY I have this account because it came with the computer when I bought it (1992). At that time Prodigy promised three months free trial membership. Even though I did not activate the account until June of 1995 - they honored the offer. I feel that this was a good way to start out. It was easy to install and I was able to learn how to use E-mail, get a modem and upgrade the memory on my computer so that I could use my computer on the NET. It was an EXCELLENT way to start.
  • Pro: It is a large commercial account with over 2,500,000 members - very stable. It has many features - some of which I still have not used. I have never lost an E-mail (that I know of). I use the USENET feature to review newsgroups quickly - then join through a cheaper account. The 30hr/$30 account is the best way to go.
  • Con: It costs: ($30 cr)+$27+$28+$86+$30+$30=$201/118 hrs=$1.70 hr. The WEB interface is slow. It is a little impersonal. $2.95 per hour over your limit.
    MID CONTINENT LIBRARY The cost was $1. It gave me card catalog access to 29 branches of a five county library system. It gave me experience with a modem and basic DOS type interface. I can do my research from home. 15 hrs
    STARNET (free) I am a Beta Tester in return for the use of this account. This was offered by the Kansas City Star Newspaper. Have used it about 160 hrs.
  • Pro: It gave me a great deal of experience in posting to forums. It gave me the newspaper and many associated publications via the modem. I use the E-mail extensively for personal contact with local individuals in Kansas City. It has a great research library. It may become a model for electronic Newspapers nationwide.
  • Con: As a Beta version - there were some problems & lost E-mail.
    It will cost when it goes commercial but will also provide Internet.
    ONE CROSSROADS PLACE(BBS) (free) I am a volunteer Customer Service Representative (Cosysop) in return for three levels of accounts. On our system, teachers get Comp (=free) accounts. (wmeubank@yahoo.com) 240 hrs.
  • Pro: Extensive live chat experience - meet interesting people. Extensive file program libraries - many free educational programs for downloading. It is a gateway to bulletin boards all over the United States/World as well as FTP, TELNET, IRQ.
  • Con: Medium sized board (26 phone lines - 3000 subscribers), still growing, breaks down once every two weeks. Netscape is great but still difficult to use.
    TENET ($5.00 per year) -
  • Pro: 44,000+Texas educators belong. Good way to get started. Some Internet services. Job search feature.
  • Con: Poor interface. 22 hrs.

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